Second day throwing these, the length took a bit of getting used to, but they fly nice and straight now. They group very close, but ring grip sometimes seems to result in some wild deflections, i.e. second or third dart slides along the first, and the grips kind of interlock? This has resulted in three or four weird bounces where dart ends up either on floor or barely hanging on to the board; one such case caused the tip to hit the second dart, ripping a hole in the dart's paint within the ring grip (leftmost dart in pic). Only a cosmetic issue, though I'm considering buying the gold originals since they seem to have similar shape, but the grip is razor type, should eliminate such deflections (and probably be nicer for flights too). Ofc the issue might be my way of throwing, only seen four such bounces out of some hundreds of throws. But that aside, excellent darts!